Feb 5, 2019 | aging, cost of aging, cost of long term care, custodial care, declining health, elderly, finances for elders, financial advisors, handling money for aging parents, handling money for seniors, health, long term care, nursing home, resources for senior, resources for seniors, retirement planning, seniors finances
The financial services industry often refers to retirement planning for the future with aging clients in terms of “housing choices”. This reflects some degree of misperception about what happens as we age. For healthy people of retirement age, there is little interest in planning for the need for care and planning for loss of independence. People usually resist talking about it. We don’t choose to lose our independence. It happens. It is up to the advisor to raise it if you want to advise for longevity. The subject is emotional and can be difficult.
Where we need to get help when we can’t be independent any longer is really a choice about care, rather than housing. This is not house shopping. Does a client want to pay for care in her own home when that time comes? Most would say yes, they want to remain at home. They then must calculate what a home care worker costs and whether that is the best way to receive the help they are likely to need one day with their activities. Can the resources be available to enable that choice of where care will be given?
If an elderly client is living alone and can’t manage at home anymore without assistance, there are indeed choices, often driven by the degree of care needed and the cost of getting it. Elders may not be interested any longer in maintaining a house, cooking, shopping, and other necessary chores. For them, assisted living may be desirable because their daily lives will be different and free from the burden of the household that has become unmanageable. The choice to go to assisted living is usually not one a client is going to make because of wanting to downsize into an apartment for its own sake. Rather that is the price of going to the place where assistance is on hand. Again it is to receive care, not because they love the idea of not having their home any longer. For many elders, downsizing from a house to an assisted living apartment is a difficult adjustment, required because of physical or mental changes of aging. From that perspective it is a choice forced upon them.
A factor every advisor should know is that the likelihood of living alone increases with age. Almost half of women age 75+ lived alone in 2010, according to the Institute on Aging. The “choice” of a different living arrangement is brought on by safety and care concerns, often raised by their adult children.
It will be good for every advisor who wants to help clients plan for longevity to consider that their role is to introduce the issue of possibly needing care in the future, as about 70% of us will one day. If your client has you in her life, she already has housing. Planning for “housing” is a misnomer. Focus on places and choices where care can be delivered. Having no care plan can be disastrous, as sudden health crises can force decisions without considering the cost of care in advance.
In helping to educate your client about where he or she can receive care, the costs of all the offerings available in most areas are spelled out in detail in our book, Hidden Truths About Retirement & Long Term Care. You can develop quick expertise on the subject there. Skilled advice about longevity for your aging clients requires knowing your numbers, what care options are available where they live and how much they can expect to spend for that care. Smart advisors gather the data before a crisis happens and urge clients to look at it with them.
By Carolyn L. Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney, AgingInvestor.com
Jan 28, 2019 | aging, aging in place, aging investor, cost of aging, cost of long term care, custodial care, declining health, diminished cognition, elder investor, elderly, finances for elders, financial advisors, financial capacity, financial elder abuse, financial judgement, handling money for seniors, health, long term care, nursing home, resources for seniors, seniors finances
Your clients are getting ready for retirement. You’ve done the calculations, balanced the portfolio and advised them of what income to expect. You’ve discussed how much spending is ok. You used your program and your analysis was thorough. You’ve done your job, right?
Not exactly. There is probably no algorithm nor program that will calculate your client’s individual profile of health risks that will likely lead to the expense of long term care. That can be a whopper. Maybe you’ve suggested long term care insurance. Most people don’t choose to buy it. For those who do, the benefits are limited and the “elimination period” (deductible) is thousands of dollars. There go your careful calculations. At least 90% of folks don’t have that coverage. Now what?
But how can you predict what’s going to happen to anyone’s health in retirement, you ask. You can’t be precise, but you surely can make some rational observations and give advice accordingly. Those observations consist of two parts: what you can see with your own eyes and what you can glean by asking a few basic questions. If you think asking any client about their health conditions is too nosy or not your job, consider that if the client needs long term care and runs out of money because of it, they’re not going to think much of you. And the cost can wipe out their security.
Asking about health issues is not nosy at all. Rather, it’s what any smart advisor planning for longevity must do. Let’s not keep pretending that everyone stays the same physically and mentally from the start of retirement to end of life. Our bodies go through wear and tear and things break down. Cognitive decline affects at least a third of people who reach the age of 85. The risk of Alzheimer’s disease keeps climbing after that. Now, what was that life expectancy you were using in your calculation? Was it age 99?
Let’s start with what you can see in your client with your own eyes. (If they’re not in front of you, perhaps Skype is an option). Is your client obese, as about 40% of the U.S. population is? This leads to heart disease, stroke, and diabetes, among other diseases and conditions. The medical care people receive in many cases will save them from dying but they then live with disabilities. And yes, they will be very likely to need expensive long term care. Neither health insurance nor Medicare will cover long term care. Such help as a part time caregiver at home is how most folks start out with long term care. Your client pays out of pocket most of the time. Did you calculate how much it costs as well as how long they will likely need it? If they have multiple medical conditions, and have started long term care, they’ll probably continue to need some form of it for all their remaining years.
Find out what you may not know from simply observing your client’s appearance by asking questions. You can make your own list or get a health care provider to help you with a few targeted questions. You will need to educate your client as to the reason why you need this information. It’s to help them plan for how much to save in their retirement years.
Here are some examples of basic questions that can help you predict the need for possible long term care:
- How’s your health these days? Has a doctor told you that you have any long term conditions?
- Are you taking medications? What are they for?
- Do you smoke?
- Are you concerned at all about any health issues you have at this time?
Do you recall your parents’ ages when they died?Your aging clients will not be eager to talk about the potential need for long term care. When you told them about what to expect for “out of pocket medical costs in retirement”, you did not give them a figure that included long term care. Long term care is not “medical” according to Medicare. Rather, it is called “custodial care”. The client probably will not bring it up, so you must do this.
When you have done your observations and gotten answers to your health-risk related questions at least there is a place to start a meaningful conversation. You can give them figures as to the cost of typical kinds of care, such as a non-medical home care worker. We at AgingInvestor.com recommend starting your projections at age 80 as to when a person might need physical help. Many of us know someone who did require help with at least some part of his or her life at that age. Then you can talk about how any condition your client identifies for you, such as high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. as shortening normal life expectancy and increasing the risk for needing help. If your client already has difficulty with some normal daily activity such as walking or bathing, they are definitely at high risk for needing paid help sooner than a person without these problems.
Clients may be completely unaware of such things as the hourly cost of a home care worker, what assisted living costs each month and what home modifications cost if they are able to remain in their own home. You can find a thorough discussion of these and many other parts of long term care in our book, Hidden Truths About Retirement & Long Term Care, written specifically for financial advisors like you.
Every conscientious advisor needs to wake up to the reality that your retirement income calculator omits the reality check of health problems. We’re not talking about nursing homes, but every other kind of care and help most people will need as they age. If you do want to help clients who are reaching retirement age to plan realistically, include the health risks you can see or learn about by asking.
By Carolyn L. Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney, AgingInvestor.com
Nov 15, 2018 | aging, aging investor, cost of aging, cost of long term care, custodial care, declining health, elder investor, elderly, finances for elders, financial advisors, financial capacity, financial judgement, handling money for aging parents, handling money for seniors, health, investor, long term care, seniors finances
Your clients are getting ready for retirement. You’ve done the calculations, balanced the portfolio and advised them of what income to expect. You’ve discussed how much spending is ok. You used your program and your analysis was thorough. You’ve done your job, right?
Not exactly. There is probably no algorithm nor program that will calculate your client’s individual profile of health risks that will likely lead to the expense of long term care. That can be a whopper. Maybe you’ve suggested long term care insurance. Most people don’t choose to buy it. For those who do, the benefits are limited and the “elimination period” (deductible) is thousands of dollars. There go your careful calculations. At least 90% of folks don’t have that coverage. Now what?
But how can you predict what’s going to happen to anyone’s health in retirement, you ask. You can’t be precise, but you surely can make some rational observations and give advice accordingly. Those observations consist of two parts: what you can see with your own eyes and what you can glean by asking a few basic questions. If you think asking any client about their health conditions is too nosy or not your job, consider that if the client needs long term care and runs out of money because of it, they’re not going to think much of you. And the cost can wipe out their security.
Asking about health issues is not nosy at all. Rather, it’s what any smart advisor planning for longevity must do. Let’s not keep pretending that everyone stays the same physically and mentally from the start of retirement to end of life. Our bodies go through wear and tear and things break down. Cognitive decline affects at least a third of people who reach the age of 85. The risk of Alzheimer’s disease keeps climbing after that. Now, what was that life expectancy you were using in your calculation? Was it age 99?
Let’s start with what you can see in your client with your own eyes. (If they’re not in front of you, perhaps Skype is an option). Is your client obese, as about 40% of the U.S. population is? This leads to heart disease, stroke, and diabetes, among other diseases and conditions. The medical care people receive in many cases will save them from dying but they then live with disabilities. And yes, they will be very likely to need expensive long term care. Neither health insurance nor Medicare will cover long term care. Such help as a part time caregiver at home is how most folks start out with long term care. Your client pays out of pocket most of the time. Did you calculate how much it costs as well as how long they will likely need it? If they have multiple medical conditions, and have started long term care, they’ll probably continue to need some form of it for all their remaining years.
Find out what you may not know from simply observing your client’s appearance by asking questions. You can make your own list or get a health care provider to help you with a few targeted questions. You will need to educate your client as to the reason why you need this information. It’s to help them plan for how much to save in their retirement years.
Here are some examples of basic questions that can help you predict the need for possible long term care:
- How’s your health these days? Has a doctor told you that you have any long term conditions?
- Are you taking medications? What are they for?
- Do you smoke?
- Are you concerned at all about any health issues you have at this time?
- Do you recall your parents’ ages when they died?
Your aging clients will not be eager to talk about the potential need for long term care. When you told them about what to expect for “out of pocket medical costs in retirement”, you did not give them a figure that included long term care. Long term care is not “medical” according to Medicare. Rather, it is called “custodial care”. The client probably will not bring it up, so you must do this.
When you have done your observations and gotten answers to your health-risk related questions at least there is a place to start a meaningful conversation. You can give them figures as to the cost of typical kinds of care, such as a non-medical home care worker. We at AgingInvestor.com recommend starting your projections at age 80 as to when a person might need physical help. Many of us know someone who did require help with at least some part of his or her life at that age. Then you can talk about how any condition your client identifies for you, such as high blood pressure, diabetes, etc. as shortening normal life expectancy and increasing the risk for needing help. If your client already has difficulty with some normal daily activity such as walking or bathing, they are definitely at high risk for needing paid help sooner than a person without these problems.
Clients may be completely unaware of such things as the hourly cost of a home care worker, what assisted living costs each month and what home modifications cost if they are able to remain in their own home. You can find a thorough discussion of these and many other parts of long term care in our book, Hidden Truths About Retirement & Long Term Care, written specifically for financial advisors like you.
Every conscientious advisor needs to wake up to the reality that your retirement income calculator omits the reality check of health problems. We’re not talking about nursing homes, but every other kind of care and help most people will need as they age. If you do want to help clients who are reaching retirement age to plan realistically, include the health risks you can see or learn about by asking.
By Carolyn L. Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney, AgingInvestor.com
Sep 14, 2017 | aging, aging investor, cost of aging, custodial care, elder investor, elderly, finances for elders, financial advisors, nursing home, senior investor, seniors finances, wealth transfer
You’re trying to help the sixty-something clients plan for what they can anticipate spending for medical care in the future. You tell them about the average amounts a couple retiring at age 65 will need. The language seems fuzzy. Are you, the advisor, completely clear about what the term means when you say “out of pocket medical costs”?
That which is “medical” and what is paid by Medicare does not seem to be clear to many financial professionals we’ve interviewed. If you want to help your clients plan adequately for retirement, here are some critical points you need to make with them.
Medicare never paid for what it calls “custodial care”. This is not medical care by Medicare’s definition. It did not cover it in the past and it does not pay for it now. There is a distinct and very important difference between what it covers and what most people need over the long run in their retirement years. If your idea of “out of pocket medical costs” is hazy, let’s clear it up right now. This is a list of things Medicare doesn’t pay for, which just happen to be the most common things people need as they age. This is only a partial list.
Nursing home (“rehab”) after a limited number of days. The maximum coverage depends not on how sick the client is, nor how much help they really need due to such disabling conditions as a stroke, nor how they feel. It depends solely on what the nursing home administration decides about whether they are continuing to make the right kind of progress. That progress must require skilled care which can be nursing, physical, speech or occupational therapy. There may be 100 days available for coverage, but this does not mean that all of it will be covered or that the person will get that much in the rehab facility. If it is decided that there is not enough progress, the person’s care is termed “custodial” and they are cut off from Medicare.
Home Care. Millions of people who are released from a nursing home after surgery, an emergency or a fall, for example, need help at home either short term or long term. Medical events change us and can rob us of complete independence. There is a false belief around that Medicare will cover what you need if you have to have home care. This is true only for a very short time and only if skilled, licensed nurses or therapists are needed at home. Most of the time, a person is cut off from help when leaving a facility and has to pay for home care out of pocket. The national average hourly rate is $20, which can eat up one’s assets quickly in a fairly short time frame.
Help at home to stay out of a care facility. A lot of folks think they’ll live to be 100 years of age. No one discusses with them what it would mean to live that long without being completely independent. Help costs money. Many people assume that family or someone will take care of them if care is needed. But not everyone is willing to or capable to undertake what is often a serious burden. Even when family does take on caregiving, they need a break, and relief. Then help from outside must be hired. Without constant help many older people would have to be in a care facility. Does it make sense that when assets are largely all spent, Medicaid will pay for a nursing home but Medicaid will not pay for preventing the need for a nursing home, a far more economical alternative? Of course not, but that’s how it works.
The Takeaways
Fully two thirds of us will need long term care at some point in our lives. Unless the client is the rare one with long term care insurance, there is no way to pay for long term care other than to do so out of pocket. Sometimes this depletes all the client’s assets and leaves them with no choices in the last part of their lives. For those who live into their 90s and beyond, the need for some kind of long term care by family or a facility seems almost inevitable. Your clients need to stop pretending that it’s not going to happen to them, and you, the professional must steer them in the direction of saving and anticipating this need as much as you can. They will resist! Keep trying. Educate yourself first. You can get all the facts and figures you need to have a wise conversation with your older clients in our new book, Hidden Truths About Retirement & Long Term Care. Get your copy now and start adding value to those retirement discussions with your clients.
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By Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder law attorney, AgingInvestor.com
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Dr. Mikol Davis and Carolyn Rosenblatt, co-founders of AgingInvestor.com
Carolyn Rosenblatt, RN, Elder Law Attorney offers a wealth of experience with aging to help you create tools so you can skillfully manage your aging clients. You will understand your rights and theirs so you can stay safe and keep them safe too.
Dr. Mikol Davis, Psychologist, Gerontologist offers in depth of knowledge about diminished financial capacity in older adults to help you strategize best practices so you can protect your vulnerable aging clients.
They are the authors of "Succeed With Senior Clients: A Financial Advisors Guide To Best Practice," and "Hidden Truths About Retirement And Long Term Care," available at AgingInvestor.com offers accredited cutting edge on-line continuing education courses for financial professionals wanting to expand their expertise in best practices for their aging clients. To learn more about our courses click HERE
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